Celebrating death?

You all know I couldn’t try to bring a different perspective to all of this debating over the celebrating of Bin Laden’s death.Before reading this, I’d like to challenge you to evaluate some of your perspectives, no matter what they are. I’m not judging (modern meaning) anyone, I’m just going to throw out some perspectives that are different than some that I have seen in the news, in blogs, and in facebook. So if it seems I am pointing a finger at you, then, well, take time to consider what I am pointing out. Consider some of these (probably going to be random) thoughts:

* Do you know why or what those celebrating are celebrating? It’s so easy to put labels on groups of people without considering that everyone is an individual. I’m not even sure half of the people celebrating know why they are celebrating. But let me ask you this question. If your favorite sports teams wins a game do you celebrate? Now, ask yourself, what do you celebrate? Are you celebrating a win for your team or are you celebrating a loss for the other team? Apply that to this situation. Is this person (don’t look at a group of people) celebrating a victory for their country, a closure in their life, or the death of a person? We don’t really know the answer to that unless we sit down and talk to that person. I would say the majority of people would answer a victory or a closure not a death. Just like if you ask someone why are you celebrating your favorite sports team winning – you wouldn’t answer – because the other team lost.

* Do you know why people are upset that you are celebrating? It’s easy to point at them and say they are judging you. But do you know their story, their history? Maybe it looks to them like you are celebrating the death of a human being, after all, will you put this much energy into celebrating if Iran releases the innocent American’s they are holding captive? That would also be a victory for the US, maybe not on the scale of killing Bin Laden, but it would still be a victory. Were you out in the streets celebrating when Tim McVeigh was executed? Or was that different because he was an American? I’m not saying you are wrong for celebrating, I’m just giving another perspective, somethings for you to consider as you feel judged by others. Maybe this is some of what is going through their minds as they watch. Or consider that maybe this has brought back a ton of emotions in relation to loosing a loved one at 9/11. Maybe it has nothing to do with you at all, it’s just they would like the whole thing to go away. Maybe part of them would like to celebrate with you, but they are hurting so much that they can’t so they condemn you for your celebration? So what exactly is it that you are celebrating?

* Concerned for Bin Laden’s soul? Now is not the time for that, if you were really concerned for his soul, praying for him should have been done before he was killed. There is no hope for him now. He’s dead, he made his choices before he was killed. Hope that he will be seen in Heaven, slim to none. Why? How can I make that judgement, after all only God can judge a person’s soul right? Wrong. There are those who that would be true of, those that hide their true identity, those who pretend. But in this case, I think it is safe to say that this man will not be in Heaven. How? Because, Jesus clearly told us we could judge people by their fruits (Matthew 7 among many others). Judge in bible times and judge now have two different meanings, I have several blogs on judging. (over in the topic box pick judging.) We have the right to look at someone and judge (biblical meaning not modern) their fruits – not their hearts – their fruits. Only God can judge their hearts. Evil, wicked, sinful fruit means an evil, wicked, sinful person. Bin Laden used other humans as shields – what does that fruit tell you about the person? Our concern should be for the souls of those left behind. Those, whom because of this killing, this death, may now have a chance to be free. Bin Laden reaped what he sod.

* We’d like to think of God as loving everyone, and in a way he does. But he puts several things above love. In other words, He loves you BUT … He loves you BUT if you don’t accept His Son, Jesus Christ, then … He loves you BUT if you sin … Basically, God loves you but He is a just God. He HATES sin, period. If you sin, then you can’t be near him. We’d like to think otherwise, but it’s true. If you sin it trumps His love for you. If this wasn’t true, then why would we need Jesus Christ at all? I mean, He loves us, we can do whatever we want and He will keep right on loving us. NOOOOO that isn’t true!! He loved us enough to say, ok, I know you can’t do this so I’m going to pay for all your sins right up front. BUT we have to accept that payment – we have to accept Jesus Christ. And Jesus Christ says IF you love me then you will keep my commandments. So there is another but. You can’t say that you love Jesus Christ and continually walk in disobedience to his commandments. Know what I think, and there is no scripture for this, I think if satan himself was to humble himself, admit he was wrong, ask for forgiveness, God would forgive him and meet him with open arms. Why? Because God is love. Same as I think that with everything that Bin Laden did, if before he died, no matter what he did during this life time, if he accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, asked for forgiveness, God would welcome him with open arms. I don’t think that happened while he was holding a woman in front of him to be his shield. I don’t think that happened because of his strong Muslim beliefs. Do you really think that happened? Let’s bring this down to one question, remember, IF you love Jesus, you follow his commandments, what were they again? Do you believe that Bin Laden loved other’s above himself just before he died while holding a woman in front of him as a shield? God hated Bin Laden and the things he did, sorry, it’s the truth according to the Bible.

* I am shocked at some of what I read in the Bible. We have become so indoctrinated by what we have been told is in the Bible and are able to quote many scriptures, yet the harder ones to swallow have been skipped over. We like to say that Jesus hung out with the sinners – which he didn’t. We like to say, love the sinner hate the sin – which can be somewhat true but not in the way it is intended most often. Bottom line is that Jesus and God has instructed us how to treat sinners – those who’s fruit are bad. Look at some of what he tells us to do TO PEOPLE, not the sin, the people:

– not associate with those who call themselves a brother in Christ who are Swinders, Extortioners, rapacious, ravening, excessively greedy and grasping / Idolater, an image (servant or) worshipper (literally or figuratively) / Slanderer, Railer, abusive, reviler (Whilst oral communication is the most common form of verbal abuse, it includes abusive words in written form.), Verbal abuse involving the use of language. It is a form of profanity in that it can occur with or without the use of expletives (a word or phrase conveying no independent meaning but added to fill out a sentence) / Drunkard tipsy (slightly intoxicated), a sot (a chronic drinker) / Greedy, Covetous holding (desiring) more, eager for gain / Sexually Immoral, Fornicators a (male) prostitute (as venal [the fact or state of being for sale, especially with reference to bribes or corruption]), that is, (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine), whoremonger. NOT ASSOCIATE – That doesn’t sound very “Christian like.” The word translated associate here means “mix it up, keep company with.” And NOTE: These are people who say they are Christians that do this. Don’t miss that – people who go to church are included in this. It doesn’t say we can’t minister to them, just that we shouldn’t “hang out” with them. Just in case we don’t understand what “not associate” means, Paul adds, DO NOT EAT with them. Now in todays world – we would call someone that stood on these scriptures a Judger. You know you would. But in Bible times, that would have been a good thing. I tried this myself and whoa! the ramifications of it. Guess I have to decide whether I want to do what God says or not, how about you?

– put away, remove people who from among us who are wicked, hurtful, that is, evil (properly in effect or influence, and thus differing from G2556, which refers rather to essential character, as well as from G4550, which indicates degeneracy from original virtue); but especially (morally) culpable, that is, derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners: – bad, evil, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wicked (-ness).  DID YOU GET THAT?? Read it again and ask if those people have been removed from among you? Not your non-Christian friends, the are BROTHERS IN CHRIST. Don’t miss that.

If God tells us to do this, then it tells me that He will do this also. You can see these in scriptural context at NT Sins

* We need to forgive Bin Laden … well, I think we do need to forgive, no matter how 9/11 affected us or how close we were to the tragedy. But that forgiving is for us, not for anyone else or the person we are forgiving. It’s so that the forgiveness doesn’t eat us alive.

* But how can I forget what he did? … Forgiving does not mean that we forget. It does not mean that we don’t hold accountable those who carried it out. It does not mean that we make right what they did. It just means we are willing to allow God to handle the situation. Did our government do that? I don’t know, that will be on those who put the wheels in motion. I would like to think that they prayed before they did, but that is something we will never know. I’m sure those in the OT times wondered that very same thing as they went into battle. I believe that if God didn’t want Bin Laden found, he wouldn’t have been found. Many will bring up many scriptures, for example, the woman caught in prostitution and Jesus’s famous quote about casting the first stone. Here’s where the word judge takes on a whole new meaning. He wasn’t saying that she should not be told she was sinning. In fact, he told her she was a sinner. He wasn’t saying that she should not suffer consequences of those sins. He was saying it isn’t for us to carry out the penalty for that sin. It’s up to God. So, we can see the sin, call out the sin, recognize it but we can not carry out a sentence for that. HOWEVER, the Bible also says that God puts in place the government and the officials. There are those who are put in place to carry out such “judgement” or sentences. Again, did the government act in the will of God, I don’t know – that is between them and God.

Is it wrong to celebrate – I don’t know – the issue may lye in HOW we celebrate as to opposed to THAT we celebrate. Look at some of the Proverbs and how it talks about the wicked and evil (this is only up to chapter 21 cause that is as far as my Meditation and Prayer Journey has gone to-date):

21:7 The violence of the wicked shall sweep them away, because they refuse to do justice.

21:12 The [uncompromisingly] righteous man considers well the house of the wicked–how the wicked are cast down to ruin.

21:15 When justice is done, it is a joy to the righteous (the upright, in right standing with God), but to the evildoers it is dismay, calamity, and ruin.

11:7 When the wicked man dies, his hope [for the future] perishes; and the expectation of the godless comes to nothing.

11:10 When it goes well with the [uncompromisingly] righteous, the city rejoices, but when the wicked perish, there are shouts of joy.

And many more – even in the New Testament.

Consider this one: God turned His back on Jesus – why? Because he took on the sins of the world. Sure, He loved Jesus with everything in Him – literally. But with all that love – it couldn’t overcome His just side. In order for him to look on Jesus again, a sacrifice had to be made.

All I know is that the Bible is quite clear on the consequences and handling of evil, wicked, sinful acts. I am not going to run out into the streets and yell and scream, but it does seem to me in this case someone who was evil – a murder, idolater, and many other things by worldly standards – has been put to death. If you are a Christian, then you would also have to see him as an enemy of God’s.

Death – a clear consequence not just spiritually but physically as laid out in the Bible. God is probably grieved at a lost loved one, but God also knows He got what he deserved – the wages of sin is death. Bin Laden’s fruits showed he wasn’t a follower of Christ, therefore, it seems the wages of that sin will fall upon Bin Laden, not on Christ.

Judging but not those celebrating. Joyful but not celebrating. Prayerful but not for Bin Laden.

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